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(C) 1993 by Atari Corporation, GEnie, and the Atari Roundtables. May
be reprinted only with this notice intact. The Atari Roundtables on
GEnie are *official* information services of Atari Corporation. To sign
up for GEnie service, call (with modem) 800-638-8369. Upon connection
type HHH (RETURN after that). Wait for the U#= prompt.Type XTX99437,GENIE
and press [RETURN]. The system will prompt you for your information.
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Message 1 Tue Jun 01, 1993
B.REHBOCK [BILL@ATARI] at 00:05 EDT
Steffan, the Falcon's video output is as good as many $2000 JVC and Sony video
titlers/sketch pads that I've seen. Cogswell College is doing some production
work right now with a pair of Falcons at this time; I'll touch base with James
Grunke and see if he can give us a report on how they're doing in a
professional environment.
-Bill
============= Falcon030 Bundled Software Bulletin ===============
Falcon030's with Hard Drives are currently shipping with the following
software:
o MultiTOS o SpeedoGDOS o Landmines o Breakout o Calappt (Personal Time
Manager, Telephone Book/Dialer) o ProCalc o Talking Clock
They are supposed to have (many didn't because everyone was eager to get
machines shipped to dealers quickly) a mail-in card that you mail to Atari to
receive:
o Atari Works (Personal Integrated Productivity Package) o System Audio
Manager (Accompany System Keyclicks and Events with
Digitized Sounds.) o Audio Fun Machine (8-band graphic equalizer and special
effects
processor.) o FalconD2D (Direct-to-Disk recording system with special
effects and
editing.)
IMPORTANT: We know exactly which dealers received machines without the mail-in
cards and they are being sent their cards this week. Users that purchased
machines and did not receive these cards can contact the dealer in about one
week to get their card. All you have to do is fill out the card (make sure
you include your dealer's name and machine's serial number); keep the
verification half, and mail the other half to Atari.
Machines without Hard Drives will not be shipped with SpeedoGDOS, Atari Works,
or FalconD2D. They will have everything else (including the hard disk
utilities in case you have your own SCSI Hard Disk). The Atari Hard Disk
upgrade kits will ship with Atari Works, SpeedoGDOS, FalconD2D, as well as
MultiTOS, etc. on the Hard Disk.
-Bill Rehbock, Atari Corp.
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Message 2 Thu Jul 15, 1993
R.NELSON48 [Grouch (:{] at 00:29 EDT
Gregg - I called my dealer today about the spin-down, spin-up routine my
internal hard drive is going through. HE sez that he has had Atari reps and
Conner reps at his shop checking the problem out and it is absolutly the fault
of the RF shield. According to Alex if you remove the shield the drive will
work fine. In fact they took units with intermittent drives, removed the
drive from the unit and tested them and they were fine. When replaced in the
roost they again showed the intermittent problem. When the shielding was
removed the drive would once again function flawlessly.
So - I have a reason for the fault, and I have a sort of kind of fix if I
want the shield removed by my Warrenty Station dealer. Some how not to
satisfactory, but then thats why I took to signing myself -
=-= Grouch (:{ =-=
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Message 3 Thu Jul 15, 1993
B.DEWITT [Nerd Perfect] at 01:29 EDT
Somebody at Atari: I know I've asked this here before, and I know the normal
response is: get the ICD software; but does anyone at Atari know how to get a
floptical to work with the Falcon using the latest Atari HDX which does state
after all: "AHDI 6.05c will allow you to read and write to the InSite I235M
floptical drive." Not only have I not been able to get it to read and write,
but I can't even get the floptical to run when attached to the Falcon (the
power is on, but the mechanism won't activate until I detach it from the
Falcon at which point it will begin running. It will also run if I turn it on
after the Falcon has already booted up). In any case, the HD driver doesn't
recognize its presence. Any ideas?
Bob deWitt
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Message 4 Thu Jul 15, 1993
C.OATES2 [Chris] at 02:24 EDT
How much for the Acerview?
~Chris
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Message 5 Thu Jul 15, 1993
REALM [Joey] at 04:51 EDT
James, Download Aladdin and you won't have to use GEnie anymore. It allows
you to do all your typing off line in a real editor then uploads the messages
and E-Mail with a single click. Plus you can scroll back and forth the
messages and save the ones you want.
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Message 6 Thu Jul 15, 1993
C.OINES1 [Chazz] at 07:41 EDT
I'm currently using my old JVC-style (I think... it's the one with the
dark grey frame around the picture tube that, by the way, matches the Falcon's
keys) SC1224 on my Falcon, interlace and all. As I've mentioned here and
there, the interlace is noticeable, but no major eye-killer on the older color
monitors. Speedo text and graphics are rock solid. The 1426s flicker like it's
going out of style, tho, so if that's your only current monitor, buy a VGA and
get a cheap tv for the rest of it.
Oh, that 1600x603 program freaks my monitor out bigtime. Not
recommended...
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Message 7 Thu Jul 15, 1993
FAIRWEATHER [David] at 10:10 EDT
Can any of the software screen rez enhancers for the Falcon do
800x600? I tried one which was 1600 x something and my NEC-3D did,
indeed, go into interlaced mode which wasn't too pleasant to look at.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Bob De Witt - re AHDI 6.05c and Flopticals, I've had a little more
success than you have. I've been able to format, write to and read a
Floptical disk, (although for some reason AHDI says it only formats
them to 19k. I have also had AHDI fail to recognize the drive, but
usually only after a crash of some kind when I first reboot. At
least 80% of the time after a clean coldboot the drive is properly
recognized. Does your Floptical have an ID switch? If not, that
may be your problem, the Falcon demands it be set to ID 0 if its the
first SCSI device you have connected. I recommend you buy the
LATEST version of ICD Pro Utilities which works better with
Flopticals than AHDI does. By the way, if you previously owned the
Link and didn't format your old Flopticals to be formatted
Atari-style, then AHDI will not read ICD formatted flopticals.
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Message 8 Thu Jul 15, 1993
J.NESS [Jim] at 11:29 EDT
I can second Sean's opinion of the Acer 56L monitor. It has all those
features, and can be purchased for about $489 at places like Best Buy.
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Message 9 Thu Jul 15, 1993
TALISMAN at 19:13 EDT
To All -
My dealer is selling for a slightly better price (it's a muzak store, though)
Although I pay sales tax (6%) it would probably still be reasonable. If
there's anyone here that can't get one locally for some reason, reply to this
in EMAIL. My dealer has been faithful to the Atari line since the ST and I
want to see him sell enough to reward him for his support!
Talisman
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Message 10 Fri Jul 16, 1993
D.PHILLIPS24 [Darcy] at 20:06 EDT
David and Rob-
The music store here in Edmonton is Long and McQuade. Is that the store you
were referring to in Toronto David? Long and Mcquade will price everything
from their head office, the same across the country.
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Message 11 Fri Jul 16, 1993
AEO.7 [Gregg] at 21:11 EDT
Grouch.... I suggest you have your dealer call Sheldon or Cliff at the
Computer STudio... They had a similar problem and were able to resolve it by
isolating part of the RF Shielding without removing it (and thus getting the
FCC all unhappy). Be warned though that this fix won't fix ALL the messing up
conners.... there are one or two out there that this fix hasn't helped.
Whatever you do, DON'T break open the system yourself... that will void the
waranty and really mess you up if there's ever another problem.
Screen Enhancement....
Well, I can't say for sure yet, but if you want a greater resolution than the
Falcon's stock 640X480 then you might want to tune your ears to COMPO....
there should be a very interesting announcement from them soon.
Enjoy;
Gregg
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Message 12 Fri Jul 16, 1993
C.FLUEGEL [Curt] at 21:26 EDT
there is a program up here (im using it right now) that will do 800x600x16 on
a mulitsync. It is called Falcon Screen or something like that. Curt
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Message 13 Fri Jul 16, 1993
B.SUSLOVIC [Brad] at 23:03 EDT
yeah, I'm using it now too, and love it. All you need is a Super VGA.
WHERE's FPATCH.PRG!!!
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Message 14 Fri Jul 16, 1993
FAIRWEATHER [David] at 23:41 EDT
So when and how will System Audio Manager be made available for the STe and
Mega STe? I'm having a great time with it on my Falcon and I wish everybody
could enjoy it too. Why not just make it available here on GEnie? C'mon
Atari. It's semi-crippled anyway for anyone who doesn't have a Falcon, since
they can't use it to record, so why make them pay for it?
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Message 15 Sat Jul 17, 1993
R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson] at 00:26 EDT
They shouldn't have to remove or isolate (fix Atari's problem) the
shielding. The drives SHOULD BE replaced by Atari. If Atari will not replace
the drives, then it's the same old story.
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Message 16 Sat Jul 17, 1993
TALISMAN at 03:39 EDT
Anyone - Is there a program/patch to make the TOS 1.62 windows look like the
Falcon030's 3D windows? I noticed that in interlace mode, the solid-colored
3D bars and sliders don't flicker nearly as much as the older ones..
Also, has anyone at Atari considered using different fonts as a solution to
the interlace flickering? On my STe certain fonts have barely any perceptible
flicker (because they are "double thick" vertically) If you could set up
TOS/GDOS to use these fonts when in interlace modes, and design the icons in
this way (double thick) the interlace flicker would be almost imperceptable on
the desktop.. Seems like a simple and effective fix to keep the text bearable
and have more resolution for the graphics at the same time.
Talisman
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Message 17 Sat Jul 17, 1993
S.WINICK at 06:54 EDT
Wayne,
WW> They shouldn't have to remove or isolate (fix Atari's problem)
WW> the shielding. The drives SHOULD BE replaced by Atari. If
WW> Atari will not replace the drives, then it's the same old
WW> story.
Atari's one year warranty will cover repair or replacement of any defective
subcomponents in the Falcon, including the hard drive. But the "fix" that was
being discussed, while hard drive related, is really a problem caused by
interference from the RF shielding adjacent to the drive. Replacing the hard
drive will not correct the problem with the RF shielding -- correcting the RF
shielding will solve the problem.
In any event, any authorized Atari dealer should be able to determine the
cause of such problems if they should occur. The problem being described is
not universal and does not affect all Falcons so lets not blow this thing
totally out of proportion. It is a truly minor problem that can be easily
corrected in a few minutes by an authorized Atari service center.
The RF shielding around the hard drive should NOT be removed. The "fix" being
discussed is a dealer serviceable item and should NOT be done by the end user.
I strongly urge Falcon owners to NOT break the warranty seal on the bottom of
their computers to look inside and "mess around" with anything. Over the
years we've spent a lot of time repairing damage to Atari equipment that was a
direct result of the owners "messing around" where they shouldn't have been.
The electronic components inside your computer are very sensitive and easily
damaged by improper handling. Remember: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
Sheldon (Computer STudio - Asheville, NC)
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Message 18 Sat Jul 17, 1993
C.OINES1 [Chazz] at 07:36 EDT
Good. Sheldon, you'll get the chance to poke around inside mine when I bring
it down next week... the intermittent booting problem is driving me nuts.
Of course, once it boots, it's smooth as silk. ;)
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Message 19 Sat Jul 17, 1993
BRIAN.H [ST~SysOp] at 10:34 EDT
TALISMAN
>Anyone - Is there a program/patch to make the TOS 1.62 windows look
>like the Falcon030's 3D windows?
Yep, MTOS. Otherwise, don't hold your breath [grin].
Thanks for the real good post Sheldon!
~~~~Brian ... Written on Saturday 17 July 1993 at 11:01 a.m. ADT
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Message 20 Sat Jul 17, 1993
D.FREELAND [SAXMAN] at 12:27 EDT
Has anyone noticed that the sound on the SAM is much louder as compared to
anything else that uses sound? I turned down the volume on the control panel
to "0" and it gets softer but it is still pretty loud. I can not find a way
to control the sample volume with SAM itself (as far as playback is concerned)
I know you can adjust it while recording but during playback there is no way.
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Message 21 Sat Jul 17, 1993
FAIRWEATHER [David] at 13:00 EDT
How do I get SAM to play a sound when I drag something to the trash? Is this
possible?
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Message 22 Sat Jul 17, 1993
G.NORTON [Falcon Systm] at 14:07 EDT
Darcy,
Your dealer is not far off what the price should be. Right now the banks are
charging $1.3 to buy a US dollar. Also Canada Customs is charging a 3.5% duty
on the Falcons since they are not covered under the FTA (being made in
Taiwan). In addition shipping is around $10-15 US and customs brokerage fees
are around $35 CAN through UPS. In addition I don't believe the $1299US
includes the monitor adaptor. So when you add it all up, the price is not
quite as high as you might think.
David,
There is indeed a full service Falcon Dealership in BC. We have the Falcon,
Falcon Speed (PC Emulator), Musicom, True Paint and a couple of games for the
Falcon in stock. We also carry alot of software and hardware for the ST. If
you in the Vancouver area give us a shout.
Graham @ Falcon Systems
Falcon Systems 205-615 8th ST New Westminster, BC Canada V3M 3S3 (604) 522-
2915
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Message 23 Sat Jul 17, 1993
R.COOPER2 [Rob] at 14:21 EDT
Darcy..
Hehehe... <embarrassed grin>... I should have thought about it... the store
I was referring to _was_ L&M.... it slipped my mind that they are all across
the country (being a touring musician, you'd think I'd remember things like
that, but...<g>).
Rob
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Message 24 Sat Jul 17, 1993
A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 19:58 EDT
Brian,
Actually, Geneva provides the 3D look of MultiTOS to windows and dialog boxes.
Neo 4.0 may provide the 3D icons as well; this I am only guessing at.
Al
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Message 25 Sat Jul 17, 1993
R.HOEKSTRA1 [RandyH] at 22:55 EDT
Well, I have had my Falcon for a couple of days now and all seems to be
working well. Starting to figure out what's what, but still plenty to play
with. I haven't hardly even touched Works or MTOS.
I was just wondering how is one supposed to managed the various resolutions
with respect to the desktop. I am setting up various .INF files to load in
when I change modes, but it seems there should be an easier, more automatic
way. Also, is there a boot manager type program that works good on the
Falcon? I use Desk Manager on the Mega, but it does not work too well on the
Falcon. And what about a screen saver? The mouse accelerater appears to work
on the mouse, but doesn't do anything for the screen. I guess that's it for
now - but sure to be lots more questions as I try to get a handle on the bird.
RandyH
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Message 26 Sun Jul 18, 1993
B.SUSLOVIC [Brad] at 00:00 EDT
RandyH, SuperBoot is a pretty good boot prg, and its right here on GENIE, and
works on the Falcon.
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Message 27 Sun Jul 18, 1993
J.KRACHT [James Kracht] at 00:09 EDT
RandyH:
I use MouseBoot on the Falcon and it works GREAT! Plus, it already has the
Falcon 3D look! I've got dozens of desktops already setup, and it took only
minutes!
BTW, it's here on GEnie, in the library. I like it the best because it uses
the mouse to let you select your preset at bootup. Very nice.
-=James
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Message 28 Sun Jul 18, 1993
B.SUSLOVIC [Brad] at 00:37 EDT
Has anyone noticed a bass boost on the headphone output of the Falcon? Its
far from flat. I thought Atari did away with that.
B.Suslovic P.S. Got my third replacement Falcon
today. NO HD PROBLEMS!
one minor flaw though, the numeric keypad is missing the
number 3 key. In its place is another no. 2 key, needless
to say I did a double take. *s *l
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Message 29 Sun Jul 18, 1993
M.STEFANI [MCH] at 01:59 EDT
Has anyone among new Falcon owners come across a simple digital clock
accessory that's compatible with the bird? I'm looking for one that displays
in the upper right hand corner at the desktop and during programs, like DC
Clock or something similar. Any thoughts?
Randy,
I've been using IDLE (here on GEnie) temporarily for a screensaver until
WarpNine becomes Falcon capable.
Mark @ VISION Music
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Message 30 Sun Jul 18, 1993
D.FREELAND [SAXMAN] at 02:02 EDT
Brad,
As far as I can tell, there is no Bass Boost on my machine. What kind of
speaker setup are you using? That might be the problem.
David
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Message 31 Sun Jul 18, 1993
R.LUNSFORD2 at 04:23 EDT
To whoever asked the SAM question:
I don't think SAM allows you to assign samples to things that happen on
the desktop, unless a program or accessory makes it happen. For instance
instance, I don't think you can make opening drive windows trigger a sample.
Also, I don't think it triggers one if you double click on the trash can (and
the dialog comes up). Don't know why.... Russ
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Message 32 Sun Jul 18, 1993
P-DIRECT [Sean@TWP] at 09:33 EDT
My Falcon030 seems to have a bass boost on it, but I have a fairly
early Falcon030 too.
Has anyone else been having difficulties getting their card for the
Falcon030 software? The dealer says the rep doesn't know about it
and Atari says either nothing or that they've mailed it off.
Sean Dougherty
Two Worlds Publishing
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Message 33 Sun Jul 18, 1993
D.FREELAND [SAXMAN] at 10:57 EDT
Sean,
I had no problems with getting the software (the card was in the box) but
I just got the software so yours might be on the way. Is your F030 a dev.
unit? If it is, then it probably does have Bass Boost because I believe it
was on the earlier models. BTW. How is the mag. coming?
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Message 34 Sun Jul 18, 1993
B.SUSLOVIC [Brad] at 14:18 EDT
This Falcon is from the third batch from my dealer, and the headphone output
is definetly not flat. Doing an A B test using a CD player and a HD recording
through the same mixer and mains verified this.
Has anyone had luck finding FPATCH here? I've read that its needed nomater
what TOS version you have.
B.Suslovic
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Message 35 Sun Jul 18, 1993
FAIRWEATHER [David] at 14:47 EDT
What's the serial number of your bass boosted Falcon, Sean? Mine's #256 and I
haven't noticed any boost.
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Message 36 Sun Jul 18, 1993
C.FLUEGEL [Curt] at 21:56 EDT
Brad : the convertors in the Falcons are far from flat (though very good
considering price). If you A/B a CD you will hear the diference.
Curt
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Message 37 Sun Jul 18, 1993
R.NELSON48 [Grouch (:{] at 22:07 EDT
Anybody know how to shut the double danged internal speaker off without
clipping the wires? I have tried SpeakerOff.prg and Speakeroff 2, and falcon
boot. All of them claim to turn the speaker off, but once the hard drive has
finished booting (giving me the internal speaker off message, or allowing me
to type a choice for speaker off) then the speaker turns back on and blasts
away with raucous high-volume distorted fuzzy annoying blaring sound!
=-= Grouch (={
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Message 38 Sun Jul 18, 1993
L.TRAPANI [Lou @Machine] at 23:04 EDT
R.LUNSFORD2,
Thanks for your observations on SAM. If it is true that you can not
assign sounds to simple desktop functions, than it is really disappointing...
--Lou T.--
Written: Sunday, July 18, 1993 10:25 p.m. EDT
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Message 39 Sun Jul 18, 1993
FAIRWEATHER [David] at 23:14 EDT
Gee Grouch, Speakeroff works for me. I suspect you've got some other program
or accessory running after Speakeroff that is turning your speaker back on.
Try Speakeroff with a bare system and see if it works for you.
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Message 40 Sun Jul 18, 1993
D.FREELAND [SAXMAN] at 23:45 EDT
I turn my speaker off in the control panel. No problem.
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Message 41 Mon Jul 19, 1993
MUSE [Tomas] at 01:31 EDT
Grouch,
The internal speaker can actually be unplugged. <g>
===Tomas===
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Message 42 Mon Jul 19, 1993
J.KRACHT [James Kracht] at 03:06 EDT
Grouch:
SpeakOff only works until your CPXs are loaded. Then the General CPX loads
it's own settings (speaker on/off, volume, gain L/R, balance, etc). Make sure
you turn off the speaker with the General CPX and _save_ that config
immediately!
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Message 43 Mon Jul 19, 1993
R.LUNSFORD2 at 22:58 EDT
Lou,
One thing I did find out was that all the gem events DO work on the
multitos desktop...Guess they forgot to test it on the non-mtos desktop... :).
Russ
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Message 44 Tue Jul 20, 1993
SAM-RAPP [<<Sam>>] at 01:02 EDT
Sean: Contact G.LABREC here if you don't have your "missing software" card.
I sent him GE mail last weekend and had my software on friday! Great work,
Greg! Seems that Atari is definately shaping up in SOME departments!
----------------> Sam
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Message 45 Tue Jul 20, 1993
SAM-RAPP [<<Sam>>] at 20:30 EDT
Gee... I just use the "general" CPX to turn off the internal speaker.
It works great! I never could figure out why everyone is writing speaker
turn off programs. Doesn't everyone have a speaker on/off button in thier
"GENERAL" CPX? mine is version 1.3.....
Also, I notice a problem with the SAM desk ACC. If you DO NOT run sam in your
Auto folder, and you try to use the ACC to record a sample, then you get two
bombs. I works ok for playing a pre recorded sample, though.
Interesting. I just tried it under MTOS, and when I hit the record button the
Audio started passing through the system, the dialog box dissapeared, and the
SAM setup ACC is GONE from the desk menu. It's process is not listed in
U:\proc\ either. How very strange....
---------------> Sam
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Message 46 Tue Jul 20, 1993
GREG at 22:01 EDT
SAM-RAPP:
S.A.M. has a few bugs but it is still a neat program. You need to make sure
you exit before you run another program as sometimes it locks the sound system
for its own use and won't let anyone else use sound till you reboot.
The Photo Show program was re-engineered last week, baste on some of your
(make that based on the above line) comments to run on a 4 meg machine with
about 1.7 meg free. rturned out real nice.
It's All Relative
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Message 47 Tue Jul 20, 1993
C.OATES2 [Chris] at 22:25 EDT
Sam:
Sounds like SAM (not you, the ACC) crashed and MTOS shut it down gracefully.
~Chris
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Message 48 Wed Jul 21, 1993
C.FLUEGEL [Curt] at 00:01 EDT
Sam, people use the speaker off programs because programs in the auto folder
may use the speaker before the cpxs are loaded, causing it too blare very
loudly through my computer instead of peacefully throught the studio monitors.
The welcome to the falcon 030 msg in SAM is a great example.
Curt
p.s. what is the status on the 14 meg updates? it seems even the ram gizmos
are out of stock!
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Message 49 Wed Jul 21, 1993
J.KRACHT [James Kracht] at 00:08 EDT
Say, anyone have any idea _what kind_ (i.e., model numbers, brands, etc) of
SIMMS the RAM Gizmo utilizes? I know the size(s), but I'm still a little
unsure of what I'm looking for when I shop for SIMMS.
-=James
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Message 50 Wed Jul 21, 1993
D.FREELAND [SAXMAN] at 19:47 EDT
James, I know that the simms have to be at least 80ns or they won't work.
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Message 51 Wed Jul 21, 1993
R.COOPER2 [Rob] at 20:36 EDT
All:
Okay, here's a question for the Falcon think-tank... (you guys!! <grin>) A
friend who is considering purchasing a Mac-based HD recording system was
asking me about the F030, and I wasn't able to answer this for him, and I
thought maybe somebody here could help.
Is it possible to hook a NuBus-type card into the VME bus of the Falcon?
(eg.. plug a hardware digital i/o board in instead of running with the built-
in 1/8" mini jack)... I'm not up on the technical end of buses, cards, ports,
etc., so forgive me if this is a dumb question... <grin> ...hey, whaddya
want?? I'm just a dumb musician! <G,D & R!!>
I'm not up on the hardware add-ons that are available/in development for
Falcon Direct-to-Disk recording yet, so maybe somebody could fill me in on
these as well, so I can pass this info on to my associate, and keep him within
the Atari family!!
Thanks very much in advance,
Rob Cooper
Toronto, Canada
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Message 52 Wed Jul 21, 1993
T.HEBEL [Spud Boy] at 20:48 EDT
Has anyone tried GEMSOUND on the Falcon? Maybe he has the control panel
turning the speaker volume on again?
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Message 53 Wed Jul 21, 1993
R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson] at 21:48 EDT
Rob,
The Falcon doesn't have a VME bus. The 1/8" plugs are no problem. Just get
an adapter. It will not take line level input though so you need a reducer to
reduce it down to mike level. The Nu-Bus cards will not work on the Falcon.
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Message 54 Wed Jul 21, 1993
AEO.5 [Ed Krimen] at 23:01 EDT
> Is it possible to hook a NuBus-type card into the VME bus of the Falcon?
No, for the following reasons:
A NuBus card can only go in a NuBus slot. The Falcon doesn't have a NuBus
slot.
The Falcon030 doesn't have a VME port. At this time, only the TT and MegaSTE
have VME ports.
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Message 55 Wed Jul 21, 1993
L.TRAPANI [Lou @Machine] at 23:04 EDT
Rob,
Mac NuBus cards will not work with any Atari computer. The Falcon030
does not even have a VME bus.
--Lou T.--
Written: Wednesday, July 21, 1993 10:48 p.m. EDT
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Message 56 Wed Jul 21, 1993
C.FLUEGEL [Curt] at 23:09 EDT
Rob : Have your friend get ahold of Digital IO, or D2D. They have
professional boxes (balanced in/out delta sigma convertors) and more basic
boxes that will allow spdio. Curt
(there is a file somewhere in the library describing these products and with
prices and phone #s)
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Message 57 Wed Jul 21, 1993
P-DIRECT [Sean@TWP] at 23:29 EDT
Just as a side note - while the Falcon030 doesn't have a built-in VME slot, a
processor direct slot card was shown that allows the Falcon030 a VME slot at
the last CeBIT show. In fact, it was shown using the Crazy Dots card.
Sean Dougherty
Two Worlds Publishing
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Message 58 Thu Jul 22, 1993
SAM-RAPP [<<Sam>>] at 00:12 EDT
Greg---- Where/when/how much on Photo Show?
And If I can pull photos off CD with Photoshow and save them to disk,
What software is around to edit those photos?
---------> Sam
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Message 59 Thu Jul 22, 1993
C.LABELLE [Tintin] at 00:33 EDT
Rob:
I too have a RCA TV/monitor, 1986. It's the Colortrak 2000 model. I
experienced the same snow problem than you had, when I hooked it up yesterday.
It centered the picture OK, but it was rather fuzzy. I had to use a 300/75
ohms converter because the TV don't have an antenna screws to connect the
Atari switch box. The cable I used was a shielded gold-plated video cable.
Tintin
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Message 60 Thu Jul 22, 1993
R.NELSON48 [Grouch (:{] at 02:11 EDT
J.KRACHT thanks for the input. Yes the CPX will shut that thing down but it
can still surprise you. See mstg. 193 this topic. Thanks for the advice
anyway, because that was the action I was overlooking.
Falcon Hard Drive Woes --> I am happy to report that a very simple fix exists
for very nasty internal hard drive problems I was experiencing with my new
bird. These consisted not only of the drive shutting down and strange times
but of corrupted data, bad writes, and the occasional loss of a partitin on
boot. (It would be found again later, but it is still disturbing to have 20
megs just drop out of sight). As Sheldon pointed out the fix should only be
done by an authorized dealer, but it is extremely easy and consists of moving
a small section of copper RF shield from one side of the Hard Drive to the
other. Once this grounding shield was moved away from the power supply all my
strange glitches stopped.
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Message 61 Thu Jul 22, 1993
D.FREELAND [SAXMAN] at 02:11 EDT
If I'm not mistaken, the DSP port on the Falcon is what you would use to hook
up external hardware for *serious* direct to disk recording. D2D systems
offers the hardware and software needed. Their US distributor is Digital IO,
2554 Lincoln Blvd., Ste. 122; Marina del ray, CA 90291. (310)398-3993.
David
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Message 62 Thu Jul 22, 1993
D.COOKE [Rob] at 17:02 EDT
Tintin,yeah I was finally able to get my Falcon to work on my RCA moniter by
buying an unusual adapter for the RCA plug. Anyhow it allowed me to hook it in
direct and bypass the Atari box that came with it.Still not all my problems
are over yet with it.Although the pitcure is clear I still can't run some
programs because to screen scrolls and at times wraps around itself.Weird.
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Message 63 Thu Jul 22, 1993
JIM.K [Jim~ST Sysop] at 17:24 EDT
Messages #2-146 have been archived and are in the library-File #29449.
FALCON20.ARC 23June93 to 14July93.
Jim Kudron
<ST Sysop>
22Jul93
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Message 64 Thu Jul 22, 1993
GREG at 22:48 EDT
SAM-RAPP:
We just got the final clearances today to ship Photo Show for the Atari
Falcon. I'll see if I can overnight a package to Ashville tomorrow with a copy
of the program, manual, and some flyers.
Watch for a formal announcement on Photo Show tomorrow.
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Message 65 Fri Jul 23, 1993
B.AEIN [B Man] at 00:55 EDT
Is there any way to permenantly disable the memory checking routines in the
Falcon boot up? I.e. you disable it and it does not require user input?
Bman
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Message 66 Fri Jul 23, 1993
C.LABELLE [Tintin] at 01:36 EDT
Canadians, Falcons are in stock, in quantity, and at a reasonable price
($1649) in Ottawa: Chiang Computers, 1056 Bank Street, Phone # (613)730-0438.
--------------
Rob: Is it a Radio Shack adaptor? What part number? Thanks.
Tintin
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Message 67 Fri Jul 23, 1993
D.COOKE [Rob] at 02:14 EDT
Tintin,well actually the adapter came with a video dubbing kit.I couldn't
find it by itself so I had to buy the whole kit but I think the Cat. number is
15-1523. It also came with a 1/8" Mini-to-RCA plug.
-Rob
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Message 68 Fri Jul 23, 1993
MUSE [Tomas] at 03:49 EDT
Bman,
I don't know about permanently disabling the bootup pause, but I know that
BootTyme works on the Falcon030.
===Tomas===
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Message 69 Fri Jul 23, 1993
B.SUSLOVIC [Brad] at 22:51 EDT
Curt, Have you actually tried an A/B test with a CD? I have, with every HD
recorder I could find. Dame proves to me that there is a bass boost, because
it uses the DSP to filter it out. In fact, I can't tell the difference
between a Falcon digital recording, and a CD while using Dame.
I just want to know if the change was indeed implemented, or if I have
another machine that slipped through under specs. i
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Message 70 Fri Jul 23, 1993
M.GARRISON1 [Lazarus] at 23:06 EDT
Has anyone else noticed that the TT compatible resolutions are only availible
intermittantly with a VGA monitor.
Mark
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Message 71 Fri Jul 23, 1993
P-DIRECT [Sean@TWP] at 23:20 EDT
Mark:
When MultiTOS is active, the TT compatiblity modes appear, for
whatever reason. This caught me by surprise at first, and after
a little experimenting, it became rather clear...
Sean Dougherty
Two Worlds Publishing
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Message 72 Sat Jul 24, 1993
J.KRACHT [James Kracht] at 00:05 EDT
B-Man:
I may be wrongI think some of the German non-volatile RAM configuration
programs/CPXs might allow you to bypass the memory test permanently -- I know
I used one such program to boost that low-res bootup screen into 640x480 --
the Atari logo looks great!
Of course, I don't know what most of the options are, as they're all in
German!
-=James
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Message 73 Sat Jul 24, 1993
P-DIRECT [Sean@TWP] at 00:13 EDT
James:
Where did you get the program to modify NV-RAM settings? For awhile I thought
they might have taken it out of the production version, due to the lack of
ultilities to change it.
Sean Dougherty
Two Worlds Publishing
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Message 74 Sat Jul 24, 1993
A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 02:58 EDT
Bman,
Well, there is with the ST and TT, so the same technique should work with the
Falc, I would guess. NOROACH is the official technique, but there are others.
Al
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Message 75 Sat Jul 24, 1993
J.KRACHT [James Kracht] at 04:10 EDT
Sean,
I think I got the file on Delphi. There was also a CPX version too, but it
isn't as easy to use as the .PRG version. I can't rightly recall, honestly. I
got it long before I got the Falcon. I pulled a lot of stuff off the dealer
unit HD (stuff put there by other customers). It might have come from there.
How about I upload it to GEnie? :-)
-=James
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Message 76 Sat Jul 24, 1993
REALM [Joey] at 18:17 EDT
Hitting the space bar works the best.:-)
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Message 77 Sat Jul 24, 1993
D.PHILLIPS24 [Darcy] at 21:31 EDT
Does anyone know how I can find out if there are any other Falcon dealers in
Edmonton, Alberta? The Ottawa price of 1649.00 at Chiang Computers makes the
local music dealer's(Long and Mcquade) price of 1865.00 look pretty
outrageous.
Help!
signed, Poverty Stricken
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Message 78 Sun Jul 25, 1993
J.KRACHT [James Kracht] at 00:39 EDT
Say...
Anyone have any notion of how to force certain people to program 256 color
front-ends for some of the games online here on GEnie?
Doesn't seem right that even Amigas have front ends.
-=James
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Message 79 Sun Jul 25, 1993
D.ENGEL [Thunderbird] at 17:56 EDT
James:
I know some programmers with multiuser game writing experience who would
love to write them, but I don't think the authors of the GEnie online code
care enough to support the Atari line... at least not enough to actually pay
someone to write Atari front ends.
I don't think there are enough Ataris out there yet to make it profitable.
I betcha they could write a nice Jaguar front end too...
____________________
\hunderbird
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Message 80 Sun Jul 25, 1993
J.KRACHT [James Kracht] at 20:33 EDT
T-Bird:
I'm not sure I understand the profit angle. Don't the games people their money
from the users who play the game online?
-=James
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Message 81 Sun Jul 25, 1993
M.STEFANI [MCH] at 21:48 EDT
Whenever I run any digital audio program on my Falcon (D2D, Musicom, etc...),
I lose my basic system sound/key-click. Has anyone figured a way to get it
back without rebooting? When I check the control panel, I'm told that the
speaker is "on" and the key-click activated.
Any SLM804/605 laser users out there as frustrated as me about not being able
to print? I've been told that it would be a simple procedure to create an
adaptor for the SCSI port. I mean, PageStream looks great on the Falcon (as
does AW), but I'd like to avoid having to shop for another printer just to see
output from my computer. Besides, I love my SLM804!
Really like the processing speed compared with my 1040stf w/AdSpeed. It's
about 75 percent faster. The 3D icons are really nice, too. Am I correct in
assuming that there's no present way to edit them?
Thanks in advance...
Mark Stefani
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Message 82 Sun Jul 25, 1993
T.HEBEL [Spud Boy] at 23:23 EDT
The TT video Dialogs are only available from MTOS. You can still choose TT
MED, but you must do it from the set video and choose double line off, 80 col,
and 16 colors.
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Message 83 Mon Jul 26, 1993
J.KRACHT [James Kracht] at 00:09 EDT
MCH:
I too have/love my SLM804. However, I also have a 9-foot long folding banquet
table to use for my computing -- which means I still do all my
modeming/dtp/printing on my 520STe which sits right next to my Falcon.
Luckily, I have two great monitors, and can have both machines going at the
same time. If my SLM eventually works on my Falcon, that'll be great. I'm so
used to the STe, and so awed by so many other aspects of the Falcon that the
SLM issue has virtually disappeared from my concerns. It would be great to be
able to daisy-chain the SLM through my external HD though...
-=James
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Message 84 Mon Jul 26, 1993
D.ENGEL [Thunderbird] at 05:57 EDT
James:
Right now there are probably less than 2,000 Falcon030's in the hands of
end users in the U.S. Even if every single owner were here on GEnie, and could
afford to play the games even a little bit, that still doesn't amount to a lot
of users.
The front-end for an online game here on GEnie would take hundreds (if not
thousands) of man-hours to create. Even porting an existing front-end would
take a considerable amount of time, and a mere port would not take advantage
of many of the features of the machine, and would be rather mundane.
Someone has to pay the programmers and artists to write the front-end, and
given the amount of time it would take, versus the amount of users it would
benefit, I think they would be leaning more towards spending the time/money
improving their support for the existing platforms.
As much as it pains me to see them drop support for the platform, I cannot
think of a good argument that doesn't sound like sour-grapes in the face of
the facts.
I suppose that they could provide front-ends that would work on the
existing base of ST's, which is somewhat larger, but I don't think that the ST
could really compete with the fast Macs and '486s out there.
I've written games for the Atari platform, and while it is much more
enjoyable than writing games on PC's and the like, it's nice to be able to
earn something from the work. I'm sure the programmers would rather _not_ be
writing PC games, but I know not many of them are rich enough to write games
just for the fun of it.
I'd really like to see a nice modem device for the Jaguar, which would
allow access to these games. If Atari plays their cards right, they could have
an installed base of Atari platforms in a year that it took IBM and the Clone
makers 10 years to create!
Wouldn't it be great!
_______________________
\hunderbird
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Message 85 Mon Jul 26, 1993
R.SNYDER6 [Roger S.] at 19:30 EDT
Of course if no one writes software for a new machine, the sales of the
computer tend to not get high enough to make it worth while to write software
for it.
--Roger S.
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Message 86 Mon Jul 26, 1993
J.KRACHT [James Kracht] at 21:32 EDT
T-Bird:
I see your point. I think it sucks, however. What a hideous Catch-22 IBM has
forced on the little guys! Woe is me!
'Cept, I'm _very_ pleased with my Falcon so far!
-=James
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Message 87 Tue Jul 27, 1993
C.LABELLE [Tintin] at 01:20 EDT
Darcy:
I wonder if in such a case, Atari would allow you to buy it from Ottawa.
Contact Atari or Chiang to find out. The price charged by your dealer, and a
music one at that, _is_ outrageous and way above MSRP. Don't let anyone tell
you the contrary.
Tintin
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Message 88 Tue Jul 27, 1993
G.DORRINGTON [GREG] at 05:42 EDT
Darcy
Last time I checked (about two weeks ago) Alphatel was taking orders on the
Falcon at 1649.00. Seems that they're back in the Atari business, but only in
a small way. Its a per order basis on Thursdays only between 3 and 7 pm.
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Message 89 Tue Jul 27, 1993
R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson] at 05:52 EDT
Doug,
I saw your game Mecha Naught at John's table at the AtariFest. Looks good.
There were a lot of people that sat down and played it. Some spent quite a bit
of time at it.
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Message 90 Tue Jul 27, 1993
D.ENGEL [Thunderbird] at 18:10 EDT
Wayne:
I'm glad you liked Mecha-Naught. Thanks for the compliment. Tell me, is
there anything in particular that you liked about the program? I'm always
looking for good feedback... feedback has had a profound influence on the
program thus far.
I hope to have it completed soon. Keep your eyes open!
Thanks again...
__________________
\hunderbird
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Message 91 Tue Jul 27, 1993
R.LUNSFORD2 at 18:49 EDT
Has anyone downloaded the NVRAM CPX and PRG from the library yet? I can't get
it to remember my settings. I've gone in and set it, clicked OK, and gone
back into the CPX immediately and my settings are lost. What am I doing
wrong??
Russ
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Message 92 Tue Jul 27, 1993
P-DIRECT [Sean@TWP] at 20:32 EDT
Russ:
Try rebooting the machine after making the settings. I don't
remember if the changes are reflected on re-entering the CPX,
but all of the features do work (if you can manage to decrypt
technical german) on my machine. Having it boot into VGA 640x480
is much more impressive than ST Low.
The bootup screen rez doesn't seem to translate to what the
desktop ends up using though... (yes, my NEWDESK.INF is .INX'ed)
Sean Dougherty
Two Worlds Publishing
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Message 93 Tue Jul 27, 1993
D.PHILLIPS24 [Darcy] at 21:33 EDT
Greg
Very interesting news about Alphatel. About two weeks ago they tried to sell
me a 14/80 machine (which I sadly could not afford), and I got the feeling
they were desperate to get out of the Falcon business. But I guess I should
call them. . . Thank you!
But you know, to tell you the truth, I am really beginning to wonder, after
all these months, if I still want a Falcon any more. What with some of the
other professional digital audio platforms out there, and the resounding
_silence_ from Falcon music developers, and the money sitting there in my bank
account. . .
Anyone anywhere heard anything from D2D, or Cubase Audio? I mean at this point
I would even find comfort in "Oh yeah, it will be shipping next month". Anyone
know how many tracks Cubase Audio is supporting? I heard eight somewhere, and
then four somewhere else, and something about four from a Ramdisk, I don't
know. Will there be any outboard hardware, or compatibility with other
companies' hardware? D2D is now apperantly only 4 tracks in the pro version,
anybody know if it supports SCSI, not just IDE?
I am growing very weary of all this. . .
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Message 94 Tue Jul 27, 1993
R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson] at 21:55 EDT
Doug,
I only saw it as people played it. I didn't really play it as I don't do
games. :-) Sorry, all I can tell ya is that people seemed interested in it.
John showed it to me a little as I was interested to see what you had done.
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Message 95 Tue Jul 27, 1993
P-DIRECT [Sean@TWP] at 22:07 EDT
Contrary to what some people may have thought, the Falcon does not have eight
tracks of stereo sound. What it does have is eight channel sound, four on the
left and four on the right. Each of these channels are addressed as pairs for
four independant tracks of either stereo or mono sound. As such, you could
record 8 channels of mono sound or 4 channels of stereo sound. The only real
kink in this is the only way to play eight tracks of mono, you must turn them
into 4 stereo tracks.
Just as an interesting note - set all four tracks to mono, and you only have
four channels available instead of the rated eight (I know, big surprise).
I felt a little "ripped-off" when I found out about this too...
Sean Dougherty
Two Worlds Publishing
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Message 96 Tue Jul 27, 1993
R.LUNSFORD2 at 23:51 EDT
I tried setting the NVRAM CPX and then rebooting...still no luck. I tried
setting it, rebooting without closing it, rebooting after closing it, still no
luck. Is it possible that they could have changed it with TOS 4.04? Any
more ideas?? Thanks,
Russ
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Message 97 Wed Jul 28, 1993
C.FLUEGEL [Curt] at 00:13 EDT
its hard to learn anthing about Cubase stuff until it is released. Russ Jones
rarely says anything and I dont speak German. I have a nice gglossy flyer if
that counts for anything. It is 4 tracks from disk and four from ram. Not a
bad deal at all. The D2D stuff is known to be buggy, overpriced, and in short
supply. Im curious what Barefoot is up to anyway, and expect something from
Emagic. (of course the Codeheads alsom but the no midi thing makes it unusable
for some, but the price is great) Curt
-- don't give up yet..........
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Message 98 Wed Jul 28, 1993
FAIRWEATHER [David] at 01:47 EDT
Darcy, as I've said before, D2D w/ 4T-FX has been shipping for a
while now. You can buy it from The Computer Network in Glendale.
I saw them doing some amazing things with a lengthy sample of Suzanne
Vega and her guitar. The sound quality was crystal clear, no hiss at
all. It sounded like she was there in the room. In fact, since I'm
not familiar with Vega, until I peeked into their studio, from what I
heard I thought she WAS in the room.
But I agree with you that despite all its built-in digital audio
capabilities, the Falcon has some SERIOUS catching up to do if it is
ever going to make inroads in professional music. The current issue
of Electronic Musician has a big feature on Digital Audio . . . and
not a single word in the article about Atari. They mention Mark of The
Unicorn, and Cubase Audio and Cakewalk among others, but no mention
of Cubase Falcon.
I'll never be able to afford Cubase Falcon anyway, but I sure would
like to buy the Codehead's Digitape. Where is it? Or Musicom II?
Don't get me started! Where is Jeff Minter's Llamazap? Why is
TruePaint the ONLY truecolor paint program available for the Falcon?
Why are there only two Falcon specific games, ISHAR and TRANSARTICA,
and both of them are mere ports of existing games that do little to
tap the Falcon's potential. Where is VROOM II? Where is SPACEJUNK?
Even the PD demos I've seen don't seem to do more than scratch the
surface of the Falcon's potential and that includes the huge megademo
that was recently uploaded here.
I feel like I've got a Ferrari that I can only drive at 55 mph. I
sure hope some of these Falcon specific programs will be available at
the Glendale show in September.
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Message 99 Wed Jul 28, 1993
R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson] at 04:57 EDT
The Falcon is really a nice machine. Some of the stuff that is out there for
it and stuff coming out for it is real nice. Given another 4 months and I
think stuff will really start showing up for it. There is even a Falcon only
game out. I think it is called Ishtar or something like that.
One thing that I am not suprised at and that is that I was told that when
put side by side, the Mega STE will sell more than the Falcon. Even thought he
Falcon has and can do a lot more (and the customer knows it), the Mega STE
will win 9 times out of 10 simply due to the fact that it has a seperate
keyboard. This was from a dealer who knows how to market the abilities of the
machines. I still say it was a bad move and I think Atari is learning about
that mistake. Sure, current Atari users will get a Falcon but, consumers new
to Atari are choosing the computers with the seperate keyboard. The Falcons
are simply not selling to new consumers like Atari thought they would.
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Message 100 Wed Jul 28, 1993
FAIRWEATHER [David] at 09:55 EDT
...and another thing. Where the heck is FALCON ALADDIN!?
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Message 101 Wed Jul 28, 1993
SLP [Scott] at 23:09 EDT
Wayne, that depends on what the salesman is selling. If I was selling Atari
computers, there is no way the customer would go for a Mega STE instead of the
Falcon, at least not a new customer. The reason why new people aren't being
drawn to the Falcon in large numbers is simple.
Atari hasn't produced many of them, and the ones that are produced and for
sale aren't easily seen. My 2 county area of about 1.5 million people has 1
dealer who sells out of his house. If I was finally going to take the plunge
and buy a computer (ie a new user) I sure wouldn't go search out an obscure
machine that was only sold from the back room of somebody's house.
Scott
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Message 102 Thu Jul 29, 1993
T.HEBEL [Spud Boy] at 00:46 EDT
I run TOS 4.04 and haveno problems with the CPX. I do have a friend who uses
TOS 4.02 and he can not get the CPX to work for him. He has the same problem
of it not working. He has a good copy of the software too.
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Message 103 Thu Jul 29, 1993
D.FREELAND [SAXMAN] at 02:52 EDT
I just tried using the CPX in the library that can modify certain and I
decided I did not want to use it so I removed it and now everything is in
German on my desktop and in all the menus and message screens. Is there any
way to get things back to normal? I don't know German!!
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Message 104 Thu Jul 29, 1993
D.PHILLIPS24 [Darcy] at 20:05 EDT
Guess I'm not the only one with ranting to do. I guess had been expecting D2D
to be eight tracks, and when the brochure came I searched through for a
mention of "stereo" tracks, but nothing. Cause it seems to me that I had heard
about 4T/Fx being 4 stereo, which would be quite a bit more powerful than four
mono(for my purposes anyway).
Incidentally, anyone heard anything about D2D's hardware?
Curt, Barefoot was/is planning to have Smptetrack work in conjunction with
4T/FX, to start with anyway. I have heard nothing about E-Magic.
Yeah, I guess 4 tracks off disk and 4 tracks from ram is fairly appealing, and
certainly if I was already a Cubase user(as many obviously are), I would be
sold.
Sigh. So much gear and so little money.
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Message 105 Thu Jul 29, 1993
R.LUNSFORD2 at 20:15 EDT
I called Atari today, and asked about the NVRAM stuff, and the guy I talked
to, asked what it did. I told him that it puts the screen in VGA 80 column
mode for bootup, and he said, "Why would you want to do that?". He said [C
[C [D [D the NVRAM is undocumented and that it can do bad things to your
computer. I think he meant the language changes...? I still want it to work
:)... Russ
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Message 106 Thu Jul 29, 1993
O-ZONE [Flakes] at 20:56 EDT
Sean,
Wha!... Couldn't someone just write software to address the channels
seperately?
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Message 107 Thu Jul 29, 1993
P-DIRECT [Sean@TWP] at 21:06 EDT
Got my Falcon030 "extra" software today, for the most part I am quite happy
(particularly with the Atari Works manual), but some things struck me kind of
strange...
o The Falcon-D2D manual was too short, and assumed way to much.
Any begining user would choke on this in a minute. Explaination
of how to make the input level proper was quite inadequate,
good thing I've been playing around with WinRec in the meantime.
(The only tutorial or how to guide was the "Instant Start"
section, and like most breakfasts by the same name, it left
an unpleasant after-taste.)
o There is a note on the bottom of page 27 of the manual which
states that a bug in some Falcon causes the left gain setting
to change the right gain setting too... Which Falcon's are
these?
o For the section on AFM in "How To Write Modules", it says that
"It is easy to write modules." This is fairly odd, concidering
that most people will get VERY confused on this section. Even
the DEGAS manual said that making printer drivers was for
experienced assembly programmers only...
Other than these minor problems, the whole "out of the box" setup is rather
impressive. In contrast to the D2D manual, the SAM manual was very complete
and well written, and the AFM section is also pretty nice.
I should also mention that I was printing labels out of Atari Works from a
database along with taging text and sounds to documents within 10 minutes of
installation. Is is very easy to find anything out about Atari Works from the
manual.
Sean Dougherty
Two Worlds Publishing
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Message 108 Thu Jul 29, 1993
P-DIRECT [Sean@TWP] at 21:16 EDT
O-Zone:
The problem with that is the track select register is only 2 bits,
and from there you select the attributes (stereo/mono, 8/16-bit).
Sean Dougherty
Two Worlds Publishing
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Message 109 Thu Jul 29, 1993
J.COLLINS22 [chro_MAGIC] at 23:18 EDT
Notice to all owners of revision A RAM Gizmos:
We have discovered that most Panasonic SIMMs will not function properly
with the RAM Gizmo. We have been in contact with Panasonic to find out
what is different about their SIMMs and have come up with a solution.
Any revision A RAM Gizmo can be easily modified to work with Panasonic
SIMMs. If you have a rev A Gizmo and want to use Panasonic SIMMs please
return it to chro_MAGIC and we will perform the modification for FREE
and ship it back to you.
ALL future revisions of the RAM Gizmo ( starting with rev B ) will have
the Panasonic fix "built in". If anyone has questions please feel free
to leave a message to me or call chro_MAGIC at 417-623-7393.
Jim @ chro_MAGIC Software Innovations
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Message 110 Fri Jul 30, 1993
J.KRACHT [James Kracht] at 02:34 EDT
Saxman:
Please don't be afraid of that NVRAM CPX. I don't really think it can do any
real damage unless you turn the overscan selection on (which it actually won't
let you do if you have VGA). Just click on the box that says GER or something.
Use the arrows to select USA. The CPX makes changes to the NVRAM _instantly_
upon closing. Reinstall it, and change your language back to USA. You don't
even have to fiddle with the screen modes. That original Falcon bootup screen
is an ST compatibility mode. If you change it, and then try to load an ST game
you really invalidate your chances of it running. Once I figured out the
German word for "compatibility" (something like "kompatibilitmodus" or
something) the setting for the screen becomes easy. If you have a VGA monitor,
you'd use 80 columns, 256 colors, NTSC, and VGA buttons. This also works fine
for the SC monitor as well. To play a game, you'd click on the
"kompatibilitmodus" (or similar) button, and set it to 40 columns, 16 colors,
NTSC, and TV -- then click on the "koampatibilitus" -- er, I mean click on
OKAY. The settings are changed instantly.
-=James
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Message 111 Fri Jul 30, 1993
B.STOREY [Billy B.] at 07:54 EDT
>FAIRWEATHER [David] at 09:55 EDT
>
>...and another thing. Where the heck is FALCON ALADDIN!?
>----------
>
It will be found on page 1000 (ST Aladdin) when Tim gets it finished. He IS
working on it.
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Message 112 Fri Jul 30, 1993
R.BUSH [Richard Bush] at 08:19 EDT
>...and another thing. Where the heck is FALCON ALADDIN!?
YES! Where is it? I'm reduced to running Aladdin on a 1040 and 1 floppy,
because I gave my old mega 2 to my son. Talk about a pain in the
posterior.... Mr. Purvis won't talk about it in the ST Aladdin area.
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Message 113 Fri Jul 30, 1993
O-ZONE [Flakes] at 18:47 EDT
Sean,
Are you telling me that I will not be able do 8 track recording, one track
at a time while listening back to any combination of other tracks, as in
professional studio 8 track recording? That is the main reason I am buying
this machine. Have I been beguiled?
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Message 114 Fri Jul 30, 1993
P-DIRECT [Sean@TWP] at 21:51 EDT
Ozone:
Yes, you will be able to do eight track recording, one at a time.
And, depending on the software, you could listen to the eight
tracks on playback, providing they were all mono tracks without
any trickery.
It is possible to mix two 8-bit samples in a non-distored 16-bit
sample, and it is also possible to mix two 16-bit samples with
some degree of distortion (depending on the ending levels), and
as such it is possible to play up to 16 mono 8-bit tracks at once
in theory (if the software can mix them fast enough, that is another
story).
To sum all of this up:
Type Max. Recordable Max. Playback Max. True Playback
Stereo 4 4 4
Mono 8 8 4
All numbers are the total tracks. Max Recordable assumes you have
the proper hardware. All assume you have the proper hardware/software.
"True Playback" for Mono sound denotes how many tracks can be played
without the use of a stereo playback mode in order to playback more;
as stereo playback will seperate half the tracks to the right, and the
other half to the left.
Any other questions? Ask! I hope I am making this clear enough...
Sean Dougherty
Two Worlds Publishing
(any one else record all the letters and assign them to their proper
keys? It is gets annoying after awhile, but it is still odd to hear
you [or the computer?] announcing each character you type!)
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Message 115 Fri Jul 30, 1993
D.FREELAND [SAXMAN] at 22:57 EDT
SAM has already driven me batty so I don't even load it anymore.
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Message 116 Fri Jul 30, 1993
R.LUNSFORD2 at 23:34 EDT
James,
So all you do iwith NVRAM CPX is select the settings, click OK and reboot? I
tried it, and it won't work...I go back in the CPX without even rebooting and
the settings are back to default... Russ
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Message 117 Fri Jul 30, 1993
DMJ [dmj] at 23:43 EDT
Sean:
Theoretically you should be able to mix 256 8-bit tracks onto a single 16-bit
track with no distortion. With the Falcon's four stereo tracks, this is a
_theoretical_ limit of 2048 simultaneous voices.
The limiting factor, as always, is the software.
-dmj
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Message 118 Sat Jul 31, 1993
P-DIRECT [Sean@TWP] at 00:09 EDT
DMJ:
That is really VERY theoretical though, if you were mixing three
8-bit channels into one 16-bit channel and all three of the sources
are at 128, you are in for quite a problem (assuming 0 is center).
For high sample rates, this wouldn't be readily apparent for say
three or four unless you listened for it...but increase that to say
10 or 15 and you're in for a headache! :)
However all of this is a bit on the technical side... <grin>
Sean Dougherty
Two Worlds Publishing
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Message 119 Sat Jul 31, 1993
R.HOEKSTRA1 [RandyH] at 12:26 EDT
A couple of weeks ago I posted a request for info on screen savers and boot
config programs. The next day my hard drive died and I just now managed to
get Aladdin set up on a floppy (although it isn't pretty). I tried using
Flash to navigate GEnie manually and it was horrible! I have used Aladdin
from the start and I guess I never realized how good it was until I had to do
without. :) (don't worry I am going to post this in the Aladdin RT also)
Anyway, I did see some replies to my query and I appreciate the info, though I
don't remember who to thank at this point. I am trying out the Mouseboot demo
and will most likely send for the real version. I also am using Idle, though
it has problems as an ACC when you change video modes. I just run it as a
.PRG when I leave for awhile. Any other ideas for a 'fully' compatible Falcon
screen saver?
Also saw the posts about Falcon Screen and NVRAM and downloaded those. Both
work great and really enhance the felibility of the Falcon. This machine is
looking better and better all the time! Screen Blaster sounds real interesting
too!
Now for a new question. When I run Multi-TOS, S.A.M. does not seem to work.
I can run the ACC and it works fine, but I don't get any sounds with the
system events. It works fine without M-TOS. I have never used MiNT before,
so I don't know if there is a problem or I just don't have things set up
right.
Also, awhile back I saw a post somewhere that had a list of radio shack parts
that could enhance the audio uses of the Falcon (ie microphone, speakers,
etc). I don't yet have a mic so I was wondering if someone could repost the
info or point me to a file with the info.
Love my new Falcon and thanks for all the help.
RandyH
BTW, the hard drive death above was on my MegaST, not the new one in the
Falcon. Glad it waited till after I had the Falcon so I wasn't totally out of
commision (and yes, having to use floppies is almost as good as being totally
out of commision). ;-)
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Message 120 Sat Jul 31, 1993
J.KRACHT [James Kracht] at 15:17 EDT
Russ:
I'm at a loss. On my machine, it (the CPX) updates the NVRAM immediately. That
is, at least it seems like it does. The boot-up res won't go into effect, of
course, until you reboot. I assume the rest of the changes don't occur until
that point either. If only there was a program to test the NVRAM... to make
sure it was working/there.
Randy H:
Doesn't Mouse Boot look great in 640x480? This program seems to work
_perfectly_ with the Falcon.
-=James
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Message 121 Sat Jul 31, 1993
B.SUSLOVIC [Brad] at 20:09 EDT
Has anyone had any luck running ACCs off the desktop, under MultiTos? the docs
say its possible, but the only way I can get it to work is to rename them to
prg. Ive also tried fiddling with the GEM.CNF file, ie. GEMEXT=ACX. no luck
Russ, NVRAM works fine on my machine too, all aspects. The settings aren't
saved, thier toggled in ram.
brad
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Message 122 Sat Jul 31, 1993
S.ZIEGLER4 at 20:54 EDT
I seem to be having a weird problem with my internal hard drive. It makes a
"pinging" noise sometimes when I try to read from it, and it seems to take a
long time to read the data, also... Is this the RF shield interference problem
I have seen mentioned???
Thanks
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Message 123 Sat Jul 31, 1993
D.SHORR at 21:18 EDT
Brad,
Add the following line to your NEWDESK.INF file:
#A 03 FF 000 *.ACC@ @ @
Dave
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Message 124 Sat Jul 31, 1993
O-ZONE [Flakes] at 21:19 EDT
Sean,
I guess I misunderstood your previous post. I hardly got any sleep last
night. I am relieved to hear I'm not blowing $1300. I guess I'll just have to
wait 'til the right software comes along.
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Message 125 Sat Jul 31, 1993
J.KRACHT [James Kracht] at 21:58 EDT
Has anyone redone their Falcon's HD with ICD Pro Utilities yet?
The reason I ask is that since I re-partitioned my drive, and got my external
HD going nicely, all those awesome demos (like the Plasma demos and Termfin,
and Speeder, etc.) crash upon exit (usually hitting the spacebar). With AHDI,
I just got the desktop. Now I get this horrible screen mess. It's not that big
a deal, but I'm just trying to narrow down the possible causes of the
"glitch."
Also, what is known about SCSI2? I have an 18ms Maxtor hooked into my Falcon's
SCSI2, and ICD's RATEHD.PRG tells me its now running at 46ms. And yes, it runs
at 18ms on my STe (so says RATEHD.PRG). Does the length of cable affect
speed? Just curious (and I'll go ask ICD right now, too :-)
-=James
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Message 126 Sat Jul 31, 1993
B.SUSLOVIC [Brad] at 22:39 EDT
James, funny you should mention it, Ive had the exact same experience, with my
brand new Maxtor 7213. I ended sending it back, though not for that reason.
It didn't seem to want to power up with the term resistors installed, even as
the only device. Its performance went from 18ms/1200kbs to 46ms/650kbs,
using RATEHD. There seems to be a few classifications of the SCSI 2 standard.
An updated command set version, Fast SCSI 2, which uses different , more
efficient packaging methods, SCSI 2 wide, which increases the bus path to 16
bits from eight. I posted a question back a while to see which of these the
Falcon incorporates.
rep ooopsss S.ZIEGLER4 thats not the RF shield problem, your best bet is to
take it back for another.
Dave, thanks, I'll give it a shot.
Brad
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Message 127 Sat Jul 31, 1993
D.ENGEL [Thunderbird] at 23:14 EDT
Sean:
If I were writing a F030 game that used digitized sound effects that were
16 bit stereo sounds, what is the limit on the number of sounds I can make
simultaneously on a stock F030 with hardware only, and with software tricks.
Same question for mono sound effects?
________________
\hunderbird
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Message 128 Sun Aug 01, 1993
P-DIRECT [Sean@TWP] at 01:07 EDT
Tbird:
Well, without any tricks you could do 4. With software "tricks",
that gets weird. As any megademo will prove, the machine is cabable
of alot of stuff simply through the use of unconvential methods.
Saying that you could mix this to 8, or 10, or 12 is very difficult,
as it depends on what you need to do other than the sound, and
how well you write the mixing routines.
I would say that you could easily play 2 16-bit stereo for every
existing track, thus being eight. Lower the sample playback rate,
the more samples you can play (more time you have to mix before the
sample needs to be played). Totally pushing it, 25kHz 8-bit stereo,
you might be able to play say 32 samples (this is a total guess,
I don't have any timing tables in front of me, nor have I guessworked
any routines to actually do this, again I could be WAY off).
I have no doubt the sound system on the Falcon030 is more than
suitable for video games, though. Truecolor may be out of the
question for sprite manipulation (again, MIGHT), but the potential
of the Falcon has yet to be seen. How many people would have guessed
back at 1986 COMDEX that the ST would eventually be running those
megademos?
Sean Dougherty
Two Worlds Publishing
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Message 129 Sun Aug 01, 1993
A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 07:09 EDT
Brad,
Geneva runs DAs from the desktop using the variable that designates which apps
are executable (GEMEXT, I think).
You just click on them and they run.
Al
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Message 130 Sun Aug 01, 1993
D.PHILLIPS24 [Darcy] at 14:33 EDT
Flakes
My impression of the professional level audio software is that for full
bandwidth recording it seems 4 tracks is the norm. D2D's pro package is four
tracks. Cubase Audio Falcon apparently offers eight channels, but only four of
those are audio from the hard disk, the other four use data from ram, like a
sampler.
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Message 131 Sun Aug 01, 1993
D.ENGEL [Thunderbird] at 15:39 EDT
Sean:
Thanks for clearing that up for me. I was worried that the hardware was
incapable of playing more than one at a time by itself.
_______________
\hunderbird
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Message 132 Sun Aug 01, 1993
B.SUSLOVIC [Brad] at 16:22 EDT
Dave,
thanks for the tip on the ACCs, it works great. I was surprised to see them
displayed with the prg icon. Heres another discovery, rename your
XCONTROL.ACC to PRG and you can take advantage of all your CPX's without using
the memory of an ACC. works without MTOS.
Darcy,
I think hard disc recording is going to take a little rethinking on the part
of us recording musicians. More a question of sound and memory management,
than of cut and dry multitracking.
B.Suslovic
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Message 133 Mon Aug 02, 1993
V.VALENTI at 01:44 EDT
I have a friend that has been able to blend FOUR stereo tracks on the fly
using conventional 386 assembly! Imagine what you could do with the DSP?
Maybe a total of 16 stereo tracks on the fly?
Vince Valenti
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Message 134 Mon Aug 02, 1993
ATARIAUSTRIA [J.Widi] at 03:59 EDT
RandyH,
You need to install the SAM_SET.CPX in order to get sound with MultiTOS. Just
make sure it is in Your CPX-folder. Don't expect it to show up in the control
panel though, as all it does is to activate the sound.
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